Objection#1
Unbelievers may judge us for being associated with that worldly atmosphere and the type of people we are with. I have seen that it is mainly the Christians who judge each other for being in worldly places. Unbelievers on the other hand think that Christians cannot have fun. I aim to change that mindset. Also, the religious leaders criticized Jesus for socializing with sinners, but this didn’t stop him. How do we save unbelievers if we do not hang out with them? Many christians think we will be tempted to conform to the sinful behavior of the clubers but most Christians I know who club do not sin there.
Unbelievers may judge us for being associated with that worldly atmosphere and the type of people we are with. I have seen that it is mainly the Christians who judge each other for being in worldly places. Unbelievers on the other hand think that Christians cannot have fun. I aim to change that mindset. Also, the religious leaders criticized Jesus for socializing with sinners, but this didn’t stop him. How do we save unbelievers if we do not hang out with them? Many christians think we will be tempted to conform to the sinful behavior of the clubers but most Christians I know who club do not sin there.
Rebuttal #1
Lets begin with "Unbelievers will judge us!"
Lets begin with "Unbelievers will judge us!"
- Ephesians 5:3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.
- Romans 13:13-14 We should live in a right way, like people who belong to the day. We should not have wild parties or be drunk. We should not be involved in sexual sin or any kind of immoral behavior.
- Romans 2:24 For, as it is written, “The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”
"Believers are more judgmental than non believers."
There is something known as righteous judgment in the bible. Don't get this type of judgment confused for the judgment that condemns people to hell.
There is something known as righteous judgment in the bible. Don't get this type of judgment confused for the judgment that condemns people to hell.
- 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders?Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
- 1 Peter 4:2-5 Strengthen yourselves so that you will live here on earth doing what God wants, not the evil things people want. In the past you wasted too much time doing what nonbelievers enjoy. You were guilty of sexual sins, evil desires, drunkenness, wild and drunken parties, and hateful idol worship. Nonbelievers think it is strange that you do not do the many wild and wasteful things they do, so they insult you. But they will have to explain this to God, who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
Next the author of this states that her aim is to change the mindset that believers can't have fun.
When you are filled with the Holy Spirit going to the bars or clubs is no longer fun. People seem to think that the only way to have fun is to go to bars or clubs. Have you forgotten about the arcades, movie theater, bowling alley, museums, beaches, restaurants, fishing, boating, hiking, reading a book, etc. Clubbing every week gets lame, redundant, and boring. The bars and clubs are for those who are bored and haven't established goals. As I write this I have just made my debut appearance in my first fitness magazine. There were many activities that got me to this place. Attending fitness expos, going to the gym, networking, learning how to cook, reading up on fitness and nutrition. I have no time for clubbing. My days are so abundant working hard towards goals that when 10pm comes around I am ready for bed.
"Jesus socialized with sinners!"
Yes he did. Sinners are everywhere.....at church, the workplace, gym, etc. It is possible to socialize with them so many places without going into the dark places.
Yes he did. Sinners are everywhere.....at church, the workplace, gym, etc. It is possible to socialize with them so many places without going into the dark places.
- For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry. With respect to this they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they heap abuse on you; but they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 1 Peter 4:3-5
Objection#2
The music is secular with swear words and worldly ideas. But secular music is played in shops etc. too. We cannot avoid it. I don’t agree with Christians who say we should not listen to any secular music. I say that is narrow minded and legalistic.
Rebuttal #2
The music is secular with swear words and worldly ideas. But secular music is played in shops etc. too. We cannot avoid it. I don’t agree with Christians who say we should not listen to any secular music. I say that is narrow minded and legalistic.
Rebuttal #2
- Phillipians 4:8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things.
We are always going to come into contact with secular music in this world. That is where the Holy Spirit steps in and can protect us. However as a nurse I know that I can come into contact with one person with the flu and not contract it myself. But if my immune system is constantly bombarded with patient after patient with the flu then I am going to catch it. What goes in comes out. Music is a form of meditation. It's not what you hear on the conscious level but what gets into the subconscious. By going to places that support such music artists makes you a supporter. Without your business there would be no need for them. It's naive to think you can handle this kind of music and not be effected.
Objection#3
There is a risk of demonic infiltration in clubs because of the music controlling your mind etc. However, I say that when you have the Holy Spirit in you, you can discern demonic presence and you can also control your mind.
There is a risk of demonic infiltration in clubs because of the music controlling your mind etc. However, I say that when you have the Holy Spirit in you, you can discern demonic presence and you can also control your mind.
Rebuttal #3
It's not a risk. It's a reality! There are demons. If you are a believer demons will pursue you harder then everyone else in the club. When Satan fell, he took 1/3 of the angels in heaven which are now known as demons. Discernment of demons? Demons don't need to be discerned. They will control your mind. It is called oppression.
- 1 Corinthians 5:13 Bad company corrupts good morals.
Objection #4
Clubbing does not bring glory to God. But a lot of our jobs are not in a field which brings God glory. I say we can give God glory by simply standing out from the rest and being a shining light in the darkness. I try to lead by example, without bible bashing people.
Clubbing does not bring glory to God. But a lot of our jobs are not in a field which brings God glory. I say we can give God glory by simply standing out from the rest and being a shining light in the darkness. I try to lead by example, without bible bashing people.
Rebuttal #4
How are you going to stand out in a club? After I got saved I drank soda. People thought I was drinking alcohol. If you drink water they are going to think it is liquor. How are you going to dance on the dance floor without shaking your hips around waving your booty around like you just don't care? Who goes into a club and says there is something different about that person? You have a drink in your hand drinking in moderation, but they think you are like them and getting drunk too. If you want to stand out then STAND OUTside of the club and talk to people as they come out or go in, but don't step foot into that dark place. If you aren't bringing Jesus up to people then you aren't evangelizing. It just makes you another one of them.
How are you going to stand out in a club? After I got saved I drank soda. People thought I was drinking alcohol. If you drink water they are going to think it is liquor. How are you going to dance on the dance floor without shaking your hips around waving your booty around like you just don't care? Who goes into a club and says there is something different about that person? You have a drink in your hand drinking in moderation, but they think you are like them and getting drunk too. If you want to stand out then STAND OUTside of the club and talk to people as they come out or go in, but don't step foot into that dark place. If you aren't bringing Jesus up to people then you aren't evangelizing. It just makes you another one of them.
"Bible bashing"?
Through hearing the Word of God change happens.
Through hearing the Word of God change happens.
Romans 10:17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
